Saturday, August 25, 2012

"Paul/Saul of Tarsus, deceiver, liar, and FALSE APOSTLE" - Post on "Lunatic Outpost" forum

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Paul/Saul of Tarsus, deceiver, liar, and FALSE APOSTLE.
Well aware that this post will be seen by many as "heretical"....I am posting it anyway. This is something that was shown to me by the Spirit of God over 14 years ago, and those who are willing to be intellectually and biblically honest will at least prayerfully study this subject and let the Scriptures explain the Scriptures through the Spirit of God. I know others will have the knee-jerk reaction and will post on the subject in the same fashion.




Paul is a FALSE APOSTLE. His writings, along with the 325 Council of Nicea have led most "christians" into the abyss through division, half-truths, bad doctrine, false teachings, and the flat out heresy of teaching the doctrine of Balaam. Don't believe it?



Brethren, as Isaiah once said, "Come, let us reason together"......



REVELATION 2

1: Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the s

even stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2: I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:



Keep in mind, the preceding words were spoken BY CHRIST HIMSELF. In addressing each of the seven churches in Revelation, Christ either CONDEMNS the church for what they are doing WRONG, (and warns them to repent), COMMENDS the church for what they are doing RIGHT (and encourages them to hold on), or, a little of both.



In REV 2:1-2, Christ is COMMENDING the EPHESIANS (the church at Ephesus) for realizing that they were being led astray by "false apostles". And who were the "apostles" to the Ephesians? Paul and Barnabas !!!



Is Christ somehow confused? Doesn't Christ KNOW that PAUL is the "first apostle" to the Ephesians?



Is it possible that someone else claimed to be the apostle to the Ephesians, and that someone other than PAUL was teaching heresy and lies to the Ephesians? NO. It is not possible. In fact, Paul plainly states in his own writings, that he does not preach Christ where any other man has preached Christ before:



ROMANS 15

20: Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named,

lest I should build upon another man's foundation



So according to Paul's own words, he is the FIRST man to preach

(the previously "unnamed" Christ) to the Ephesians.



And of course, who wrote "Ephesians"?

Paul did. But can Paul be proven a liar?

Was Paul teaching the doctrine of Balaam?



The following doctrine comes from Pauline Christianity....



ROM 14:14

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:

but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.



Now in attempting to protect a false apostle, one might claim that Paul did not write the book of Romans. The problem with this false claim, is that every doctrine espoused by Paul is consistently taught through every book that he wrote. Consistent through Paul's writings, for one instance, is the eating of unclean meats.



1 TIMOTHY 4

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.



Paul is clearly lying here, as proven by Ezekiel who states that you cannot make the unclean thing to be a clean thing....but more of that in a moment. Are there other passages that point to Paul stating that you can eat not only UNCLEAN MEATS, but MEATS sacrificed unto IDOLS?



1 COR 8:8-10

But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;



So according to Paul, if you pray over your unclean meat offered

to idols (like that of DIANA), it suddenly becomes clean.



According to Paul, only the "weak" fail to understand the his doctrine, which is exactly OPPOSITE

of the doctrine as taught by the prophets, not to mention the MESSIAH HIMSELF.



Paul goes as far as to say that we should not let people judge us as to eating these unclean meats in COL 2:16. And it should be noted (above 1 COR 8:10), the idea of it being a STUMBLINGBLOCK to the "weak". Paul says throughout this chapter that you shouldn't eat these unclean meats in front of "weak" believers because it could be a "stumblingblock"....



Okay, so we know what Paul's doctrine is on unclean and meats sacrificed unto idols.



But what does CHRIST say is the REAL stumblingblock?



REV 2:14

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.



How can anyone defend Paul's teaching of this false doctrine of eating unclean meats and STUMBLINGBLOCK?....which is the very doctrine that CHRIST CONDEMNS as a stumbling block and the doctrine of Balaam (REV 2:2)?



Let's see what Ezekiel says:



Ezekiel 22:26

Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between

the unclean and the clean



You cannot make unclean meats, or meats sacrificed to idols CLEAN by praying over them.



This is CHRIST'S doctrine, taught by the prophets, but NOT PAUL.



The UNCHANGING God of the Old Testament told His prophets that you cannot make the profane into something HOLY, and Christ, "the same yesterday, and to today, and FOREVER", still CONDEMNS the practice of eating the unclean and profane (REV 2:14, above)....Did God and Christ change their mind on "the unclean/profane/meat sacrificed to idols", and ONLY PAUL is privy to this "new" information? Did Christ forget to tell His own apostles?



Paul was CLEARLY teaching the doctrine of Balaam, and if you can't see it,

it is because you are yet spiritually BLIND to the subject.



Again, I am not saying that everything that Paul wrote is a lie, but nonetheless, he IS THE LIAR and FALSE APOSTLE to the Ephesians, as stated BY CHRIST HIMSELF in Revelation 2:2. Now, can Paul be documented

as a liar elsewhere in Scripture?



Before moving forward, let's look at what happened in Jerusalem, when Paul met with the TRUE PILLARS of New Jerusalem, the apostles chosen by Christ. Paul is telling Peter, James and John that "the whole of the law/burden" cannot be dumped on the gentiles, as all of Israel failed the Law and God's Covenant. So, the apostles, along with Paul, agree to

FOUR CRITERIA of the Law that MUST BE maintained, even by the gentiles.



1) NO MEATS/OFFERINGS sacrificed to IDOLS

2) NO drinking of blood

3) NO eating meats strangled to death (imagine the adrenaline

pumped into the flesh by the animal being strangled)

4) NO fornication



These FOUR REQUIREMENTS are listed three times in ACTS, to which Paul, the false apostle,

agrees upon teaching. (read ACTS 15:20, ACTS 15:29, ACTS 21:24-25)



Although Paul lied in agreement with the REAL APOSTLES in Jerusalem,

Paul DID NOT TEACH what they AGREED UPON at ALL.



He taught the EXACT opposite, as documented above in 1 TIM 4:4-5, 1 COR 8: 8-10, COL 2:16, etc. And if you want to catch Paul DIRECTLY LYING, read his account of when he met up with the REAL APOSTLES in Jerusalem:



GALATIANS 2

9: And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

10: Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.



In this passage, Paul is referencing his meeting in Jerusalem, meeting

the REAL APOSTLES,and WHAT THEY DISCUSSED with him.



Paul nakedly states that the only thing they agreed

upon in Jerusalem, was to give ALMS TO THE POOR.



Which, profoundly, was NEVER MENTIONED in the book of ACTS.

Paul does not tell the Galatians:

1) NO meats sacrificed to IDOLS

2) NO drinking blood

3) NO strangled meats

4) NO fornication



Nope. Paul doesn't even mention it.



He deductively lies by omission, and then says that "helping the poor" was the only thing they agreed upon in Jerusalem. In fact, Paul pridefully boasts that the REAL APOSTLES "added nothing to him" (GALATIANS 2:6).



Moving forward.....



Does Paul meet the criteria set by the REAL APOSTLES?



After the death of Judas, Peter realizes from the Psalms that "one should take his place"; and the real apostles again set FOUR CRITERIA for choosing the replacement apostle (ACTS 1:20-26). These are the four criteria:



1) The new apostle had to have been with them (the apostles,

Christ, and the crowd which followed) from the beginning

2) The new apostle had to have seen the miracles performed by Christ

3) The new apostle had to have seen Christ crucified

4) The new apostle had to have seen Christ resurrected



Brethren, which of these FOUR CRITERIA does Paul meet? Only the fourth, and that is if we choose to believe Paul the liar, in his ever-changing story about his "conversion" on the road to Damascus. Oh, I have no doubt Paul may have seen a bright light on the road to Damascus, but the serpent/nachash is by definition a "shining one"....The first time Paul tells this story, he said he saw a bright light that told him to seek out Ananias, and that Ananias would give him further instruction. The second time Paul tells this story, he says that he saw CHRIST, and that CHRIST told him he was the new apostle to the gentiles. But let us take into consideration the first claim, that he was told to seek out Ananais. This person is directly related to Caiaphas, the high priest who sought to have the Messiah killed (see HISTORY of the JEWS). Why would Christ send Paul, a persecutor of Christ's own followers, to receive instruction from the high priest Caiaphas which sought to have Him (Messiah) killed in the first place?



It makes absolutely no sense at all. Father, please open their eyes.



With the Paul issue set aside for a moment, let's look at a great possibility as to WHY

the real apostles voted for Matthias as the replacement of Judah, the son of perdition.



Ever hear of the Q-Source, sometimes called the Q-Document? Personally, I read of this document decades ago, and the commentary regarding this document strained my understanding. Let me explain. This document is contemporary to the times of the apostles, and many theologians have theorized that all four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written FROM this one source.



Granted, many people use the Q-Source as a way of discounting the four gospels, as they were, "copied" from this one text. As believers, we need to understand this document....and here is my hypothesis: I believe that the four gospels were not "copied", per se, but that this document was "referenced" by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, years later, after they realized they should commit their experiences with Christ to paper/papyrus.



Indeed, if you have studied the gospels in great depth, the reader will notice that there are times when the commentary goes from a first person narrative, to a second person narrative; hinting that the four gospels

did in fact come from referencing one source - the Q document.



So who wrote the Q document? As the apostles were going to vote on who should replace Judas, is it possible that Matthias was chosen NOT ONLY because he met the FOUR CRITERIA as decided by the apostles, but because he (Matthias), while not being directly involved or distracted, humbled or amazed by direct interaction with the Messiah, WROTE DOWN WHAT WAS HAPPENING all through Christ's ministry?



This would not only explain WHY the apostles chose Matthias, but it would bring an

end to the "controversy" over the four gospels using the Q-Source as a reference.



That is food for thought....but as far as Saul of Tarsus goes....He was a pharisee, and was directly involved with the murders of countless Christians. Saul/Paul stood by, holding the coats of those who stoned Stephen. Paul was on his way to Damascus for yet more killing, as authorized by the high priest Caiaphas. Again I would ask:



Why would Christ appear to this murderer, and tell Paul to seek the advice of Caiaphas' relative, Ananais? It just makes no sense at all....Unless the "light" Paul saw on the road was not Christ at all....Unless the serpent Caiaphas had ulterior motives, like destroying Christianity from within, by installing a false apostle that would lead millions astray through false teachings like the acceptance of the doctrine of Balaam.



Please observe:

All divisions in Christianity come from PAUL and his writings.



1) Works vs. faith - a Pauline doctrine

2) John's Baptism vs. Paul's "baptism of spirit"

3) Confusion on "speaking in tongues"

4) Confusion on "the rapture"

5) Ridiculous doctrine of the "uncircumcision"



And that is just to name a few.



Paul's hypocrisy is astounding once you open your eyes to it. He says that to get circumcised

makes void the Cross of Christ, yet he kowtows and has Timothy circumcised.



Paul doctrine vs. CHRIST'S doctrine:



Paul says the Law is a BURDEN. (ACTS 15:10 and throughout Paul's writings)

Paul says the Law is a CURSE (GALATIANS 3:10)

Christ said his yoke was light. (MATTHEW 11:30)



Paul says that the Messiah is the end of the law (ROMANS 3:28; 10:4)

Christ said he came NOT to change the Law, a "jot or tittle". (MAT 5:18; LUKE 16:17)



Paul says he is convinced there is "no unclean thing" (ROMANS 14:14)

Christ HATES the doctrine of Balaam, which teaches acceptance of the unclean. (REV 2:2)



Paul says, "be ye followers of me". (1 COR 4:16)

Christ says we are to follow HIM. (LUKE 9:59).



Paul testified of himself and a "special revelation". (GALATIANS 1:12)

Christ testified NOT of HIMSELF. (JOHN 5:30-31)



Paul said those who are justified by the law, are fallen from grace. (GALATIANS 5:4)

Paul said that the Law was "the death of him". (ROMANS 7:9-10)

Christ said "to enter into life, keep the commandments". (MATTHEW 19:17)

Christ said "if you love me, keep my commandments". (JOHN 14:15)



Paul, collectively, speaks of himself -- "I, PAUL," -- and uses the personal pronoun "I" more than the name of Jesus. Interestingly, the Greek word for "I" is EGO. Christ said: He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

(JOHN 7:18)



Christ came in His Father's name, and as seen throughout Paul's writings, Paul clearly came in his own name. Christ said: "if another come in his own name, he you will receive" (JOHN 5:43).



Paul admits to being a pharisee (ACTS 26:5, PHILLIPIANS 3:5)

Christ says beware of the leaven of the pharisees (MATTHEW 16:6)



Paul says he is CONVINCED "by Jesus" that unclean meats are okay, and

that circumcision is not necessary. (COL 2:16; ROMANS CHAPTER 2-4)

Christ said whoever teaches against the law is the least in heaven. (MATTHEW 5:19)



Paul says "Christ is the end of the Law" (ROMANS 10:4)

Christ said he came NOT TO DESTROY the LAW. (MATTHEW 5:17)



Paul says he is a "father" of Christ's churches. (1 COR 4:15; PHILEMON 1:10)

Christ said CALL NO MAN FATHER, but He who is in heaven. (MATTHEW 23:9)



Paul says there is a structure to Christ's church, containing apostles, prophets,

evangelists, pastors/shepherds, and teachers. (EPHESIANS 4:11)

Christ said there is ONE FLOCK, and ONE SHEPHERD. (JOHN 10:16)



Paul says there are many leaders of Christ's church. (1COR 4:15)

Christ said the Messiah is the only leader. (MATTHEW 23:5)



And this is just a spattering of the evidence the Spirit of God has witnessed to me against Paul, the false apostle and liar, as recognized by the Ephesians, an action COMMENDED by Christ Himself, in REVELATION 2:2.



In these modern days, "eating meats sacrificed unto idols" is the same as eating "christ-mass/christmas ham", easter/ishtar/ashtarte eggs of fertility; some might include halloween candy and birthday cakes. (Yes, only pagans are recorded as celebrating their birthday in the Bible. And study why JOB offered sacrifice for his sinning children who celebrated, each one in their house, their OWN DAY/birthday).



Some people try to defend Paul by quoting what other (real) apostles said about him. But keep in mind this, the apostles were just men, prone to deception like all men. And don't overlook how many of the real apostles spoke of the false apostles and teachers already in their midst. Consider this, the Spirit told the apostles

NOT to go into Asia (ACTS 16:6),...but after being found as a false apostle, where did Paul go? Into ASIA

(ACTS 20:16, 2 COR 1:8). Ask yourself; ask the SPIRIT OF GOD....WHY?



Lastly, one must realize that not only do the divisions in Christ's church come from Paul's

writings, but that these writings were CHOSEN BY MEN to be included in the Bible.



What better way was there, to unite the SUN CULT'S pagan rituals with Christianity, other than Paul's deceitful writings? Remember that the church at Ephesus was previously the temple of Diana (ACTS 19:28 and EZEKIEL 22:26 "HER" priests), and what better way to

try and "convert" the Ephesians to Paul's pagan, lawless version of Christ's message, than

to say it is OKAY to still eat the meats sacrificed to DIANA?



Now, I know that this post is going to upset a whole bunch of people who are deceived into following Paul's lawless version of "salvation through grace"...And as John said in his epistle, "it is the Spirit of God that teacheth all deep things"....I pray that everyone who reads this post inquires to the SPIRIT of GOD, and seeks to find the truth of this matter through Y'hushuah ha Maschiach/Jesus the Christ.

19 comments:

  1. God bless you may the Holy Father of Yeshua Jesus Christ Messiah protect shine and keep you strong and at peace Amen

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  2. I have no idea who you are and I cannot say for sure that what you say is correct all I will share is that since I became a Christian 4 years ago I have always had a problem with Paul. Maybe its because most Christians where I am from most of the time put Pauls' opnions and word higher than Jesus direct teaching.

    God does call people so I am not saying that is not possible for Paul to be genuinely converted.

    Secondly Jesus was around the earth for 30 odd years I don't know the exact date but do you not think Jesus would have known about Paul coming and preached about him in fact all we are told from Jesus is that many would come in his name and they will deceive even the elect. Weather these elect are the deciples or not I don't know but I would say its food for thought.

    You rightly mentioned Jesus said his yolk was light and I hold this true. Jesus was never abstract in his teaching e.g. His Gospel was clear and people saying 'Interpret' Jesus was clear cut just so many ignore this.

    Lastly Paul said its Good for a man to be alone. If this was the case why would God have created Eve if Adam could have done it all himself.

    My beef with Paul is because so many other Christians hold him almost higher or equal to Christ and that's wrong.

    Look at John the Baptist (Messenger of God) John preached a simple Gospel and also foretold Christs coming. Now do you not think a Messenger of God would have given us more messages about Paul...

    Lastly as we know Jesus didnt say much about Homosexuality and Women Ministers - To me I would take it to fall back too the LAW. One observation we could make is that all Christian Religions seam to argue more on Pauls opinions than Jesus and also the fact that 2/3 of the NT is written by Paul (Someone who was among the sect that put our Lord on the Cross) To me it just cause for concern.

    I trust my Spirit when I read the works of Paul but its hard to ignore that nearly since day 1 I have had a problem accepting Paul and his credentials.

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    1. YES, I have the same problem with Paul ,Saul too many contridictions. The sad thing is no one questions his words or teachings that preachers give people . They always recite its Gods inspired word!! .I think studying the Old Testament has way more TRUTH. Christianity many times take verses out of context to prove a doctrine they were taught and its always on Pauls teachings..In as much some say the Old Testament is not for us today! What is amusing these same people enjoy the blessings the Old Testaments give, forgetting that there are conditions to those blessings.We have the result today in our world of not following Gods Laws, its a Lawless world!! Its always seems its so much easier to blame it on satan!! Than our disobedience to Gods Laws.I will not take offence if there is disagreement with what I wrote..I pray people will really think about the words the person above wrote . Check out the history of Paul of Tarsus for yourselves..

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    2. Thats because Yahuah must have his hand on you.... Keep studying and you'll see that Paul is false and was sent by the adversary to cause division. I have yet anyone be able to tell me the two or three valid witnesses that validate Pauls story. Deut 19:15 None of the apostles ever called him an apostle and the irony of it is that Paul himself knew he needed the witnesses as he records 2Corinth 13:1. Ananias is his only valid witness and the funny thing is that he just left anaias out of his conversion story to King Agrippa? why? maybe cause he would have been a proven liar? If its not enough (cause I have heard some say that you dont need two or three witnesses) why would Messiah need the witnesses to prove who he was? John 5:30-38... Pauls foundation of him being an apostle and his conversion story cannot be verified therefore, he is a liar and the whole foundation and the letters that he built the house on are good for nothing.

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    3. You are the children of light. I thank God your eyes are open.when i first started really studying the bible i love the gospels and the prophets are dear to my heart men chosen by God for sure.tht being said you no when you read you go back and forth to NT and OT everything agrees amen.but when i read sauls writings things werent so agreeable.and if your wondering why of christ nothing was stopped of pauls works Jesus warned of it and he knows all.he knew he was gonna be rejected and the apostels epistles would be destroyed so they had to come up with another way of giving the truth to the elect.he did it thru parables and he stayed after resurrection to teach them how to do this .saul never met christ he went to arabia and got his disciples to totaly tear down the church he is an enemy.the saint who started this blog has all the scriptual proof of this and i would only like to add one thing.mark luke and revelations is very clever in the hidden things.seek and you shall find.check out allegory and enigmas this lukes letter is very clever its to theophilius for a reason it is code Jesus used it in rev.this is how you found it its the holy spirit telling you to search deep for the truth they had to do this or we would have never seen the words of christ.the devil is a liar and 325at nicea tried to destroy everything christ came to declare of the father.but grace is of the father thank God tht you see what you see.may our Father and Mother and our Lord Jesus be with you forever.keep seeking and you will find it.

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  3. You have it right!!! The more I study the Gospels, the more I see that Saul/Paul was a FALSE apostle. An ego-maniac to be exact.

    Thank you, and keep spreading the word!!!!!!

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  4. I Prayed to Jehovah before writing this, and I feel that this is led by God. My Spirit is at odds with what you are saying.

    1. God is not commending the church of Ephesus of acknowledging that they were being "led astray" and is not condemning them in anyway. He is acknowledging the fact that he knows their good intentions "Thy Works...Labor" and that they can not "bear" or "stand" those who are evil. And have "tried" or "put to the test" or "put on trial" false apostles and found them to be liars. "Tried" in the Greek term being used here is not meaning "Tried out or sampled" it is meaning "put to trial, put them to the test and found them liars". You need to look up the Kornic Greek Meanings which John Wrote Revelations in before you spread a misconstrued self made doctrine. You were the person who said the church of Ephesus was led astray by false apostles not God. Remember in Revelations God gives a firm warning to those who add or take away from the book of Revelations, so be very very careful, "Name shall be blotted out of the Book of Life"

    2. When Paul the Apostle is saying sit and meat at the temple of Idols, He is not saying sit and eat the meat of Idols. Sit and Meat, means "sit and dine". Ezekiel 22:26 is speaking directly to the priests. common things (unclean) with Holy things. He is not speaking to the everyday person, but rather the priests. And the priest of the Temple HAD to be pure when sacrificing it was a must. He is talking about sacrifice, not eating. Careful not to mix Levitical Law with common law, those are separate things.

    These are all I have time for this evening, but I will touch on your other points at a later time.

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  5. I completely agree. While studying, fasting and praying this year on the day of atonement (the first time I have strictly observed it because I have just now learned about why the law is still important) I asked God to reveal something to me in the Bible I needed to know. This is the revelation that came to me almost as soon as I started reading the Bible. I am a fast reader and I comprehend very very well. I have read so many things in the bible this weekend where Paul directly contradicts what Jesus and the true apostles are saying and basically makes himself out to be an egotistical satan-driven maniac. He goes so far as to insult the pillars of the church, demeaning them and exalting himself.... He was never endorsed by anyone else (except the one time he was referred with Barnabus in the plural sense by his misguided follower) as an apostle. I filled up two pages of notes and still was so engrossed I didn't even write half of them down.

    It's so blatant. I've already learned that my ex mother-in-law, a jehovah's withness, has texted me way too many references from the bible to prove me wrong and that the bible is divinely inspired. All I can do is explain to her that every reference she's sending me is written by Paul and its blasphemy. I also told her that God tests his people to see if they love him. These writings by Paul and his sect are the ultimate test. Peace and blessings to you, god-willing.

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    1. Yes, you are correct...Yah will send some false preachers to test if you truely love Him... Deut 13

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  6. ^Thanks for adding your testimony.

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  7. Saul/Paul is definitely a deceiver. Most false doctrine surrounding the NT is because of Paul. What makes anyone think that Satan wouldn't begin immediately to sow lies and discord? Of course he did, through his agent Paul.
    I believe in every word that is inspired by God, but don't think for one moment that the Bible has not been tampered with. Case in point, the Catholic Bible leaves out the second commandment (thou shalt have no graven images). It the goes on to split the no coveting into two commandments to make up the difference. There are differences in the NIV from the King James 1611 and from that Bible to the Geneva Bible. It keeps getting watered down to mislead us.
    God has left enough of His word intact and expects us to know what is truth and what is lies. Stop listening to your foolish, false priests/preachers and start figuring it out for yourself. You won't be able to hide behind your pastor on Judgement Day.

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  8. WHY. When said the Hebrew way is: יהו.
    יהו has more than seven thousand entries in the tenach.

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  9. I really would like to just stay out of this topic but I really need to share this guys. I know you are all in serach for truth and so do I. I am not absolutely correct but somehow, I am trying not to go beyond what were written. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. 1 Corinthians 4:6
    Paul was in reference to the Scriptures. It was a warning that they should strictly not give secondary interpretation of the Scriptures.
    On the question that he was using" I" whenever he spoke, in my opinion, is not a big issue.Remember, the Apostle Paul had a special apostleship.This should not be taken as arrogance or anything but this clearly shows he was a SPECIAL TEACHER sent to the Gentiles. Romans 11:13 says For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
    Romans 15:15-16 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
    2 Timothy 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
    I could elaborate and give extensive verses but for now I answer the other questions against Paul.
    2 Peter 3:16
    He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
    Why did Peter acknowledge Paul's leller divine? He could have discredited him or blatantly opposed Paul! If Paul wasn't genuine then Peter should have warned the people not to listen any single word of Paul.It would be illogical for Peter to harmonize Paul with the gospel of Christ.

    On the question" Brethren, which of these FOUR CRITERIA does Paul meet?"
    Again, Paul would never be the replacement. HE HAD A SPECIAL MISSION. That settles everything in the four issues raised.

    You said Paul admits to being a pharisee (ACTS 26:5, PHILLIPIANS 3:5)
    Christ says beware of the leaven of the pharisees (MATTHEW 16:6)
    His admission is enough to prove that he was not hiding anything. he was telling thinhs in plain view.
    Ever realized why he left his family? Because he was not at all impressed by the Pharisee way. He left everything to follow Jesus. And I wonder why you don't enter that in your list. It harmonized with Jesus' teaching.

    You said :
    Paul says, "be ye followers of me". (1 COR 4:16)
    Christ says we are to follow HIM. (LUKE 9:59).
    If he was teaching Jesus' way, there would be no division between them. Saying being a follower of Paul is the same as following Christ because they essentially teach the same thing. ( I will not discuss yet the seemingly contradiction of Christ and paul here. But the point is to settle the issue being a follower of John is being a follower of Peter because they bring the same Spirit of Christ. See the relevance )

    I really would like to make an elaborate discusiion but I stop from here. I would like to hear from you guys. I am a seeker of truth. But for now, there is no reason for me to doubt Paul's apostleship


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    1. How can Paul be a deceiver when his teaching were love and Jesus Christ the Son of God. Was Paul a sinner yes, Jesus has authority to forgive sins, so if Jesus forgave him, who are we not to. Honestly have you actually read all Paul writing all just some and come to conclusion he is a False Teacher. Paul has prosecuted Jesus followers but he never once committed one sin that can not be forgiven, Matthew 12:31, “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.”

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  10. Josefina EvangelistaMarch 11, 2016 at 1:47 AM

    How can a God hater ,who kills christian to show GOD how he hated HIM.Paul sin is a BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT,a sin that cannot be forgiven by GOD.And why did Jesus did not include him as one of the disciples,he never repented of the great sin he has done to GOD and he was never taught by Jesus,another spirit is teaching him,the enemy knows his craft well,he got to use words of GOD so paul can be believable slowly twisting the truth by making it itching to the ears so people use his words more than Jesus BECAUSE the truth is kill joy,in pauls preaching it is easy to enter heaven while enjoying life to the fullest,and church became pride fulfilling ,not the one JESUS tells us to be humble and obedient to THE HEAVENLY FATHERS command and denying oneself.what paul teaches is the wide road and not the narrow road,self sacrifice done to edify oneself.it is the self and the ego satisfaction,not really to please GOD.

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  11. I see Paul as a stumbling block on the way to the narrow road. The stumbling block has a five letter word written on it "grace" and most people stop right there, accept their gift and never realize that they are on the wide road. Fortunately, a few can see the Light moving on ahead without them and they clear the hurdle and keep walking in the Light until they reach the gate to the narrow road. The ones counting on grace will find themselves immersed in darkness and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matt 13:40-43.

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  12. A good article but it's missing some key verses.

    Paul tried to justify lying :

    Romans 3:7. KJV
    7. For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

    Tried to justify stealing :

    2 Corinthians 11:8. NIV
    8. I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you.

    After walking with Peter, he accused him of hypocrisy :

    Galatians 2:11-21. NRSV
    Paul Rebukes Peter at Antioch
    11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood self-condemned;
    12 for until certain people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But after they came, he drew back and kept himself separate for fear of the circumcision faction.
    13 And the other Jews joined him in this hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

    Paul claimed the old covenant is no longer valid :

    Hebrews 8:13. NIV
    By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

    One of his biggest sins, one of the most despicable acts in history, is this self appointed apostle rejected the laws of God :

    Hebrews 8:13. NIV
    By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

    Who told him the first covenant was obsolete? What did Jesus, peace be upon him, say?

    Matthew 5:17-20. NRSV
    17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.
    18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
    19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Until heaven and earth pass away clearly means until the end of time. This snake Paul called to other than what Jesus, peace be upon him, called to.



    Which means he lied, stole and slandered, which of course make him a sinner and one of the damned :

    Revelation 21:8. NIV
    8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Corinthians 6:10. NIV
    10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of one God.

    Which means he lied, stole and slandered, which of course make him a sinner and one of the damned :

    Revelation 21:8. NIV
    8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Corinthians 6:10. NIV
    10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of one God.

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  13. The Bible has been changed and corrupted throughout the years so does no longer contain the full truth. The Book of Mormon and The Book of Jeraneck contain the full truth.

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